I wish they would go to a vegans farm (all natural from Earth kind of farm) and pick whatever , then go to a slaughter house and pick and kill there own flesh also. In a perfect world i agree with you, but we are far from that! I have read many facts and arguments pertaining to this article, and it is very clear milk is harmful for us. Vegans, like yourself, try to frame dairy farmers as being cruel and horrific, but really we are people with hearts and a conscious just like everybody else. Dry comfortable bedding makes sure that there is less of a change of the cow getting an infection. How about when the cows are relaxing peacefully in the barns or the times the cows come up and give you a big lick. However, there are nations such as United Kingdom that believe that somatic are actually pus cells So, be it your regular or organic milk, it is very hard to say whether they contain pus cells … If they aren’t as high in their integrity as you, that’s a real problem. Or maybe something even more far fetched ? Animal Rights activists do all they can not to harm animals in ANY way. Milk is milk and meat is meat. 100 pounds of food a dayear to get 7 gallons of milk?????? The same applies with dairy cows; if they aren’t healthy they aren’t producing as much milk as they could be. I am hoping to discuss farm size in a future post. Maria May 13, 2016. Good luck my friend! milliliter – a level that has been in effect since at least 1999.]. The reality is that cows that are given the best care are the most profitable. Pus is made up of dead white blood cells, dead skin cells, and bacteria, not one type of cell. School Uniforms – Should Students Have to Wear School Uniforms? Illegal Immigration – What Are the Solutions to Illegal Immigration in America. They are tied down to prevent muscle growth then at around 4 months old we kill them and call it veal. 20, 1994 article “A Needless New Risk of Breast Cancer,” published in the Los Angeles Times: “The FDA [United States Department of Agriculture] – approved label insert for Posilac [Monsanto brand Artificial Bovine Growth Hormone], a pamphlet that only dairy farmers see, admits that its ‘use is associated with increased frequency of use of medication in cows for mastitis and other health problems.’ Monsanto’s own data further show up to an 80% incidence of mastitis, an udder infection, in hormone-treated cattle and resulting contamination of milk with statistically significant levels of pus.”. Many people claim they know more than a doctors, lawyers, and architects, but do they. Seek Christ Jesus and the kingdom of Heaven and all shall be added on to you. The problem is you are not honest about what you do to animals and you seek to blame others. The average somatic cell count in U.S. milk per spoonful is 1,120,000.” USDA reports 1 in 6 American Dairy cows are infected. The calves were raised to be milkers not for veal not all dairies mistreat their animals fact is I named some of them and made pets of them. Maybe you hug them, give them special treats and even give them a day off every now and again for all the hard work they do for you. Anyway going off on a tangent a bit, i know you’re probably based the US not the UK but keep up the good work , Thanks for you polite comments, I really appreciate that . Get bloody honest with yourself. Again ? You know whats not in vegetables though- fats. A million cells per spoonful sounds like a lot, but pus is really concentrated. You have to score over 90 points out of 100 so there’s no room for sloppiness. The calves are separated from their mothers, who cry for their taken children until they lose their voice. I would love to add Dairy back to my Diet but articles like the above really put me off. Did I just read that right? Making their lives more comfortable is always the goal and I have yet to meet a vegan who is contributing towards making animals lives better. We cannot digest animal milk. Somatic cell count, according to the industry’s own National Mastitis Council, “reflects the levels of infection and resultant inflammation in the mammary gland of dairy cows,” but somatic cells are not synonymous with pus cells, as has sometimes been misleadingly suggested. **The milk is checked every day to make sure the cow is healthy**. I love milk a lot. The milk pumps irritate the udder, and there’s blood and pus that comes out with the milk! Animal activists hate dairy farms, and want to force everyone to believe what they do. You exploit animals every day for cash and end their lives when you choose. Organic milk is no better – organic dairy farmers can’t use antibiotics to control the disease so the situation can be even worse. Welllllll there goes your whole argument, white blood cells ARE pus, doh! I’ve done my research and the difference between us is that I’M NOT TRYING TO SELL ANYTHING. People want organic because its healthy, animal rights people want big farms to go out of business, not family farms. It’s a really tough business to be in, and if you’re not producing top quality milk, the creameries will not take your milk. Infected udders known as mastitis cause higher than average amount of pus in milk. And finally, almost all text that I have read about dairy and meat consumption causing health issues and cancers are in comparison to developing countries that are too poor to consume them. You don’t know what it means to have a positive responses every now and then. So, denying that white blood cells are in fact ‘pus’ makes you look silly and uneducated, which I don’t believe you are. Organic milk often costs more than ordinary milk in most stores. Milk also has those other vitamins needed to absorb calcium. The average somatic cell count in U.S. milk per spoonful is 1,120,000. Remember farmers are humans too. The milk from these cows does not go into the bulk tank, so there is no pus in milk. I drink a lot of milk (gold top 5% fat lovely) about a litre a day. Oh and to answer one question, the male dairy cows are all killed for “veal”, they are tied down to ensure their muscles don’t develop so the cows are always “artificially inseminated” in a device called a “rape rack”. Because of the mastitis epidemic in the U.S. dairy herd, the dairy industry continues to demand that American milk retain the highest allowable “somatic cell” concentration in the world. By EU standards, organic dairy farms cannot routinely use pesticides or antibiotics. There little doubt that milk contains pus cells … maybe it varies (is lower) in an organic herd but to say there’s none is just flat out lying or total ignorance. when eating meat. do they spend 9 months bonding and nursing with their mom and her milk Today’s dairy cows endure annual cycles of artificial insemination, pregnancy and birth, and mechanized milking for 10 out of 12 months (including 7 months of their 9-month pregnancies). Milk has even been scientifically shown to reduce incidence of osteoporosis. Well I will just let you decide. Somatic cells are not pus, there’s no such thing as a puss cell. Anecdotes =/= data, I don’t mean to sound like a smarty, but with that logic, wouldn’t that mean that your body is full of puss! I grew up in agriculture and I am the first person to admit there are problems. One of the biggest misconceptions I read about milk online today is that milk has pus in it. The “purpose” you claim cows serves “at the end” (…of their lives) involves violently killing them against their will, which is plainly cruel and morally questionable. It’s used to scare people, and play on their emotional fears to get them to stop drinking milk. Now, with regards to ‘Pus in Milk’ as described in previous paragraph, it is obvious that according to countries such as Canada there exist no such entity. All vegans are extremists? Because so many cows have infected udders, pus is in all milk. Do you think you too could evolve, to farm something other than animals? pushers: vegans and animal rights extremists (i.e. The key to curing mastitis is advanced detection. lol America is hardly the largest milk consuming country, far down on the list. Bob, you make my heart happy. As you ‘care’ so much, I am curious to know what you think your cows get out of a life trapped on your farm? The term “rape rack” is a term created by activists to evoke emotion in you, but it’s not even a real thing. Calcium and protein is in so many vegetables, it’s like ignoring what we have right in front of us. Spread facts but you’re wrong about animal rights, so maybe keep your opinions to yourself, ya? Annaliese Wegner, Dairy farmer, in an Aug. 7, 2017 article for fooddialogues.com titled “There Is No Pus in Milk,” wrote: “There is NOT pus in your milk. A clean udder means less chance of bacteria getting in the cow’s udder. Contributing time, energy, resources towards making an actual change in the world. That does not even make sense. Activists want you to believe that farmers are abusing their cows, but its not common at all. Charles Knouse, DO, general practice physician, stated in a Aug. 18, 2009 e-mail to ProCon.org: “While the use of the word ‘pus’ is admittedly pejorative, it is nonetheless an appropriate word. In Florida, milk is tested for antibiotics and high somatic cell counts before it is even put on the truck to go to the creamery. Hmm also, you need to take in magnesium in order to get the smallest benefit from animal milk. However I have a condition called MCAS that makes me develop allergies. They tell their stories and they believed they ‘treated their animals well’. Animal rights folks are not better at caring for the animals. So how much pus is there in a glass of milk? In fact, there are 322 million of cell counts of pus in every glass of milk on average. I’m frustrated though by all these things people write. Organic milk refers to a number of milk products from livestock raised according to organic farming methods. You also eat ligaments, red blood cells, arteries, ect. Rachel how many cows have you funded for retirement in a pasture. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html Most of the countries milk comes from factory farming cows which never get to feel grass, not from a mom n pop farm in oregan. We touch on organic & conventional approaches and their pros & cons. Somatic cells do not equal pus. Pus contains much more than simply white cells. Cows today are treated so much better than in the past. They conspired to justify their barbaric and inhumane behaviour. Here is a wonderful link which shows these animals are well-suited for the farm, being herd animals and the lies of food extremists are simply untrue. More and more people are drinking almond milk because they learn the truth….peace. We will see who survives longer. We also use a tractor to till each bed each day to make sure the bedding is nice and fluffy. Yes, I will try to write a rebuttal or opposing viewpoint for you , I finally wrote a rebuttal piece opposing the vegan doctor from Nutrition facts .org. Florida has seen results as high as 19% pus content. There is not pus in your milk; just, normal white blood cells. Anonymous. This is blatant exploitation not mutually beneficial evolution, or can’t you see that? Turning dairy cows into milk machines has led to epidemics of so-called “production-related diseases,” such as lameness and mastitis (udder infections), the two leading causes of dairy cow mortality in the United States. Is your farm like theirs? Nice to see someone waving the flag for the farmers. I think the real question you’re driving at is ‘how can cows exist if they are not farmed, if it weren’t for people like you’? Karmic rule of the universe to ensure animals are given good care. Hi, Thanks, for commenting! When the somatic cell count rises, it’s an indication the cow is fighting an infection, not that there is pus present. Good to have it explained so clearly by you. Read it here https://www.dairymoos.com/debunked-nutritionfacts-org-puss-in-milk/. Some day you will be looked upon with the shame of any slave owner. The … Thank you for being brave enough to write this blog. Unless you’re abusing your animals. Their milk is not sold, and does not leave the dairy. The comparisons you’re making are plainly ridiculous. If you or society wants to fund a program like that, farmers would be happy to accept but I haven’t met anyone willing to put their money where their mouth is. (making money/ taking donations) They want to eliminate animal agriculture. Is there pus in your milk? Whether you agree or disagree, misleading or being misled on whether or not there is puss in milk, is not important in the grand scheme of things.. bless! In pretty much all commercial (for sale) dairy operations the calf FOR WHOM THE “MILK” WAS CREATED never get a taste. . Raping cows daily is okay but not hurting ANYTHING is extreme? So it got me thinking surely human milk also have this immune response? High School Student Beverage Consumption by Race and Sex, State by State Dairy Cow Emissions: The Fart Chart. I urge anyone to purchase organic or nonorganic milk and bring a sample to a laboratory of your choice, and if the test results come back with 0% pus I will personally eat a steak and cheese sandwich… gross My heart cries every time I see one of those videos.. You mention that you are friends with people who own family farms, and while I can understand that you and your friends may treat your cows as respectfully as possible in the circumstance, have you managed or tried to visit any factory farms? Why is it “ok” to do this to another species when it’s not healthy or beneficial to either the cow or consumer? Milk is a naturally high source of magnesium. I can argue those facts, but the simple point is that white blood cells are cells, and not puss. Let Bessie feed her kids with hers. Mastitis will only cause the milk to be watery, or have flakes or clots. On our farm, we also use some other methods though, besides antibiotics, to fight infections. Back to the real world – you make your farm sound like a lovely place to be enslaved, but what about the horrific conditions on industrial sized factory farms? It is all dependent on her age. Your humor and willingness to engage is beautiful to behold. That's what pus is! It’s like having compassion is bad now??? The dairy industry uses somatic cell counts as an indicator of quality. I have no agenda. Dairy farmers don’t tell consumers that every glass of milk is contaminated with pus, bacteria, and perhaps with paratuberculosis [a bacterium that causes Johne’s disease (a chronic intestinal disease) in cows]. Here’s an official definition for you: “a thick yellowish or greenish opaque liquid produced in infected tissue, consisting of dead white blood cells and bacteria with tissue debris and serum”. I’m sure there are other people with the same concerns. Wrong. Dead white cells are pus. Sorry this is so long, but I hope you find it interesting. Let’s be real, I wouldn’t farm if I didn’t LOVE cows and the consumers who enjoy our produce. The National Dairy Council wrote in a Dec. 21, 2007 email to ProCon.org: “There is no pus in milk. Yes some people believe drinking the milk of another animal, after humans have been weaned from their human mothers milk, is normal. Humans are evil. I find it amazing how it’s no big deal. That is why it is nonsensical for you to say we don’t care, because even if we were greedy and money hungry – it would not give us any incentive to mistreat animals. 3) how many cycles of pregnancy would an average dairy cow go thru (obviously to produce milk the cow has to be give birth etc and repeat the cycle) 4) what percentage of your Bobby calves go to slaughter and at how many days old? Cows are artificially inseminated, but while some people try to make sound bad, it is actually not so. All milk – including human breast milk – naturally contains somatic (white) cells, which are critical in fighting infection and ensuring good health. I’ve heard it from smart, educated people whom I respect. They see humanity as a scourge on the earth that needs to be eliminated. You can mate a frail cow to a strong bull to give the next generation more strength and a better life, and you can also select bulls with better health traits. Some cows that get mastitis will get over the infection naturally without any help. Thanks! It also softens and moisturizes the teats to make sure they do not get too dry. Why not consult the one who actually worked to produce it. What makes organic milk and dairy different? I love milk. It is nothing like the same as humans genetically selecting cows with unnaturally large udders, artificially inseminating them so they constantly produce milk, keeping them confined against their will and steeling the milk which they most definitely did not produce for your consumption. Health traits and longevity are equally important when breeding cows. Why don’t we hear about these things? However I think dairy farms are unfairly lumped in with poor practices other livestock industries. What happens to all those babies who never get mother’s milk?? He's right, of course. So, the next time you are elbow deep in a cow’s vagina, please tell me how “normal and natural” it feels. That’s weird because milk supposedly strengthens bones? As a general rule, it would be easier to link people to registered dietitians as they have PhD’s and know what they are talking about. Again, white … You are obviously paid to keep people ignorant, and all warm and fuzzy inside when it comes to drinking NON-ORGANIC milk. The only way to avoid drinking pus is to avoid cow’s milk. Bob – did you even read the link I recommended? There are some key health advantages to organic milk. your spelling is wrong in so many ways and that leads me to think any statement of yours will be the statement of an uneducated follower of whatever “fact” he’s told first. I mean there must be some truth to it right? Dairy Guy, I’m not sure about the milk-pus, but just the idea of it has scared me (almost) milkless over the last few years. 24 … Period! That means less suffering which is great news for animals! This is above the human limit for pus … According to the USDA, 1 in 6 dairy cows in the United States suffers from clinical mastitis, which is responsible for 1 in 6 dairy cow deaths on U.S. dairy farms. We use a natural remedy with vitamins that helps boost the cows immune system so they can fight the infection naturally. Populations that can afford to purchase milk are generally healthier. You talk about raping your cows in a calculated way, without remorse. In most jurisdictions, use of the term "organic" or equivalents like "bio" or "eco", on any product is regulated by food authorities. In March … Clearly this website is BS. Do you even have pets? Tea manufacturers ? ], [Editor’s Note: The MLA citation style requires double spacing within entries. You can find plenty of non-vegan material actually showing you the reality of dairy farming also. Bob, you’re not a farmers but you claim to know what farmers do. Do they So you might be thinking – If m… A variety of ages are present on our dairy. ProCon.org contacted the FDA again with the same question on Feb. 25, 2008 and again on Aug. 30, 2009. Buying organic milk does eliminate some of the issues of drinking regular cows milk. coffee growers ? Maybe on a nice family run, small farm but not the huge corporate farms, Milk produced on larger farms has been proven to be cleaner and higher quality. It just depends if you like to pay more for you milk, My husband and I lived and worked on a big dairy in Salem Oregon the cows were not confined they ranged freely in a beautiful green pasture not fed antibiotics. We don’t need that. They don’t gain a profit, like you do, and vegans are not the same as health nuts, always. Your critic above not only gets her facts wrong about pus but her statement about milk not being a healthy drink flies in the face of decades of research (and, no, not all of it is “milk industry” funded). AND they will sometimes mix it with cow’s blood from a nicked vein. If you care about their well-being there are ways that you can contribute. An elevated white blood cell count may indicate that the cow is fighting an infection, such as mastitis… The presence of white blood cells does not indicate a sick animal; some white blood cells are normal. In all of those visits I saw only ONE dairy that farmed without integrity–out of hundreds. Cholesterol is good for you and you need it to function, 25% of your bodies cholesterol is in the brain. animals and believe they are treated well. Before you go vegan, check out this section, How Milk helped America Win its War for Independence, I continue this conversation about pus in milk in my article called “The pus in milk paradigm.” Don’t get trapped in the false reality, read more here, we use alternatives to antibiotics at the dairy, measuring milk quality with somatic cell count, Dairies use Alternatives to Antibiotics to keep Cows Healthy. Weather milk is healthy or not, it is certainly not humane. We will make every effort to address them.”, [Editor’s Note: ProCon.org responded on Jan. 4, 2008 to the above FDA e-mail. It is one of the most persistent findings in all of nutritional research. There is no hidden benefit in telling people to stop drinking milk. It does’t matter if it’s organic milk or regular milk. Death Penalty – Should the Death Penalty Be Allowed? Big farms DO have blood and puss due to machine milking. I’ve seen countless pics of cows in horrible muddy/manure filled barns which is horrible. I’ve been to plenty commercial dairy operations, when there is localized inflammation, redness a open sores we call that pus. If you don’t already know this, I’m sorry to tell you that another way to describe white cells where they don’t belong would be to call them pus cells.”, [Editor’s Note: The 2003 FDA Pasteurized Milk Ordinance (PMO) PDF (3.5MB) sets the maximum level of somatic cells allowed in Grade A milk at 750,000 cells per. Baby steps are good… and the fact that you guys are supporting separating cows with mastitis and not using hormones.. that insinuates that you, even within the industry realize that there are some major things going on that are not good. All they need is some rest. So you might be thinking – If milk doesn’t have pus in it, how did this myth get started. Samuel S. Epstein, MD, Chairman of the Cancer Prevention Coalition, wrote in a Mar. As the dairy industry points out, the accumulation of pus is a natural part of an animal’s defense system. The milking barn was cleaner then a lot of houses I had been in. I listed real ‘facts’ that make a dairy cow’s life a misery, which you have not tried to deny. Antibiotics cost $$$. One of the biggest misconceptions I read about milk online today is that milk has pus in it. I am not being paid by anyone to write this blog, I do it because I want to spread truth about what we really do on the farm. Some of the commenters here: RUDENESS. The average somatic cell count in U.S. milk per spoonful is 1,120,000.”. Is there Pus in Organic Milk? Why does organic milk take a stand against antibiotics? So the confusion is comparing somatic cells SSC to pus – which it isn’t. 3% of organic-milk-producing dairy cows die compared to 1% of conventional-milk-producing cows, who are able to take anti-biotics. Why not giraffe milk, dog milk… it’s all the same. Robert M. Kradjian, MD, Surgeon at Seton Medical Centre, wrote in his article titled “The Milk Letter: A Message to My Patients,” published on the AFPA Fitness website (accessed Jan. 30, 2008): “You may be horrified to learn that the USDA allows milk to contain from one to one and a half million white blood cells per milliliter (That’s only 1/30 of an ounce). Do your cows go outside? Howard Lyman, a 4th generation cattle rancher, thought he treated his animals well, then got ill and became vegan and spoke out against his industry for what it did. The lawsuit did not get filed and PETA did not stop its “Got Pus?” campaign.]. My health has not changed one tiny bit from drinking milk, to not drinking milk. Cows were showered before milking and teats checked and cleaned with antiseptic. Or maybe it’s weird that vegans aren’t dying from malnutrition. “one cubic centimeter (cc) of commercial cow’s milk is allowed to have up to 750,000 somatic cells”. Pus in milk is not the same thing as white blood cells in milk. There is a common misunderstanding that just because organic cows are allowed unrestricted access to pasture, that means they have lots of space to roam free. Rather than denying its existence, a better question for you to answer Dairy Guy would be how does so much pus, which is produced in sores in response to infections, get onto dairy in the first place? It bothered me so I did some research, part of which brought me to this page. You are a fantastic blogger! According to my calculations based on USDA data released last month, the average cup of milk in the United States would not be expected to contain more than a single drop of pus. Seventeen states are producing milk that would be illegal to sell in Europe!”, [Editor’s Note: In November of 2007 the California Milk Processors Board threatened suit against PETA for its “Got Pus?” parody. Don’t worry, these calves get treated no differently than the females and colostrum is a must. MILK from cows given a genetically engineered drug to raise their yield contains more pus than does milk from those not treated, according to a report published today. When a cow is infected, greater than 90% of the somatic cells in her milk are neutrophils, the inflammatory immune cells that form pus. So there’s definitely some encouragement to do the best jobs possible.
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